Hearing TODAY for HF 2055
From: mayorlongrie@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue 3/31/09 10:44 AM
To: rep.marty.seifert@house.mn
Greetings!
I am writing to Rep. Seifert ( why does she start by saying that she is writing to Rep. Seifert, after all she sent it to him, didn't she) and The Citizens' Reporter about the above referenced file to be heard today. I read information about the time on Mr. Nephew's blog site ( seems odd her reference to Mr Nephew's blog. does she assume that Rep. Seifert is a regular reader?) and in a separate email received from Rep.Slawik. Unfortunately, I am engaged elsewhere and I am unable to attend. Rep. Slawik mentioned in her email that Peter Fischer and John Nephew are expected to testify.
It will be interesting to see if they testify as individual citizens or if they introduce themselves as speaking in their official capacity. Peter Fischer is Chair of the Parks Commission as a citizen volunteer and John Nephew serves as an elected council member. (Why is this interesting? Why would they not use their titles? The Mayor used her title first thing in this email.
mayorlongrie@yahoo.com )
Neither Fischer or Nephew, from my recollection, have spoke in support of conservation easements for the neighborhood preserves Maplewood currently owns after purchasing the same with voter referendum money for open space lands. Just recently, the Priory Preserve comes to mind. Neither supported the preservation of this open space parcel, from development, by use of a conservation easement - citing, to paraphrase, that a conservation easement is too permanent and not "flexible" enough. At our last Council meeting the council voted 4 to 1 to move forward on placing a conservation easement on the Priory Preserve - Mr. Nephew was
the sole dissenting vote on the motion. ( Couple of questions. What does this have to do with the effort to find money to acquire additional open space? Is the Mayor so fixated on preserving the land we already own that she can not see the environmental advantage of obtaining additional land? Also this is written as if Rep. Seifert would know something about the Priory Open Space, odd)
However, both Fischer and Nephew have previously spoke in favor of the Co-Par development of the Fish Creek area located in the Mississippi Critical Area of south Maplewood.. Prior to his election, some observed Mr. Nephew as being very "chummy" with the Co-Par representatives at the south leg meetings at Carver School held during the 1year long+ development moratorium. ( yes, by all means you do not want to be friendly towards people.)Then upon his election, Nephew was the swing vote to change the council vote to permit the development to proceed forward and Co-Par received the approvals they sought for a planned unit development (PUD) of approximately 174 houses.( a proposal that far exceeded Maplewood's requirements for setbacks, water run off, bluff protection, and protection of Fish Creek. The proposal was also for considerably fewer houses than allowed by Maplewood's codes.)
Now Fischer and Nephew are in favor of "saving" Fish Creek after they supported Co-Par's plan to develop the bluffs, Fish Creek and surrounding area. ( as stated above the proposal did not develop the bluffs or certainly not Fish Creek. It did develop the surrounding area.) If the Maplewood receives the money to buy the land, what are the guarantees the land will be preserved?( they would be the same as all the other open space areas Maplewood has, none of which has been sold to anyone, or perhaps we could give the land to Ramsey County who owns all of the adjoining open space.) I don't believe the bill requires conservation easements be placed on the land. Before moving forward any further, the proposed bill should be amended to include at least a perminent preservation requirement. ( I wonder if Yellowstone is under a conservation easement, nah, probably not.)
If "given" the money, Maplewood will buy the land (from Co-Par) and Co-Par, who just had more of their properties elsewhere lost in a foreclosure sale held on March 24th, will benefit from the 2.4 to 4.8 million dollars so they can have their own personal bailout in Maplewood. ( Here in America we do not what any companies to profit and we particularly love to beat a man when they are down.) By the way, Co-Par bought the entire parcel (not just the Fish Creek portion) at the inflated price of just under 7 million. If I recall correctly, the entire parcel they purchased was approximately 72 acres with 1/3 of it unbuildable because of wetlands, bluffs and set backs. ( now didn't she just say up above that their plan develops the bluffs, and Fish Creek? Now those same areas are not buildable. )I do not understand the legislation to be providing enough funds to purchase the entire parcel - only a portion.( If we can not set aside all of it we don't want any. We certainly do not want to be able to collect any taxes to help offset the amount of taxes the rest of the citizens in Maplewood have to pay.)
The South Maplewood property (Fish Creek) may possibly be the only property that Co-Par has remaining of their vast real estate portfolio. They started to lose their properties to lender foreclosures over a year ago.( This information is important to Rep. Seifert in what way?)
This "bailout" is at a time when we have a state deficit and we are planning to cut education and health care programs that are needed by many. We need to prioritize.( the money that funds the programs listed by the Mayor comes from other sources. The funds for preserving land will be allotted so why is the Mayor against Maplewood attempting to get our share?)
My efforts for preservation of our natural resources in Maplewood is well documented. This legislative effort does little to that end.( I agree this does nothing to help feather the Mayor's resume.) The "bailout" money will simply serve to be the seed money to commence the Fish Creek (Co-Par) development that ultimately will harm (in my opinion) ( finally she admits this is all opinion.) the bluffs and Fish Creek of Maplewood.
Best Regards,
Diana Longrie
The Mayor's letter is clearly not intended for Representative Seifert. He is not on any of the committees involved in the funding process. The letter is not written in a fashion that would have meaning to someone outside of Maplewood. This letter is intended for only one propose and that is to poison the efforts of others who are working to do what the Mayor only talks about, the preservation of open space in Maplewood. Although the Mayor is viewed unfavorably by most other elected officials I have met, her letter will almost certainly take Maplewood out of the running for this funding. There are many cities which are seeking the money in a well organized, united fashion and the legislatures do not have time to sort out what is happening in Maplewood.
This is why we need a new Mayor.
UPDATE 4-1-09: Mr Nephew comments That it must be an April Fools joke.
Well Will you are wrong again.
ReplyDeleteSiefert is in Finance and the first committee to get the bill.
Had this process been upfront and built on consensus perhaps the mayor's opinion would not have been a surprise. If the propsal to bring this to the legislator had been presented to the Park and rec , Environement and Natural resources Commissions and city council, perhaps there would have been more comments.
But I understand, your world exisits in the vaccuum in your head -- not with the prospects of working with people.
But lately you have shown us all how to run an open meeting -- or are you just blowing smoke again?
God help us if you are voted in as king -- er I mean mayor.
Dr. Binko recently emailed this comment to me.
ReplyDelete"In answer to your question Mr. Rossbach, Yellowstone National Park,
first established as a federally protected park in 1872, was the
first park to reach this status in the United States. So yes, is
basically is a large conservation easement."
This shows a basic misunderstanding of how a conservation easement works. With a conservation easement you pay some other entity to take legal control of a piece of land. So in Yellowstone's case it would be similar to the USA paying say the Sierra Club to decide what the USA could or could not do with their park. I can assure you that the control of Yellowstone rests with the federal government.
Well that is one piece of logic, but you need to remember the founding of the NPS was the first conservation movement. You know that since this conservation movement occurred many other entities have been founded to become free-market enterprises (you should not be against that) and to enjoy these laws created by the federal government in the 1890s.
ReplyDeleteSince Maplewood has no authority or policy in place that give 100% chance of saving land into the future -- it needs to move into the private sector.
Of course, Maplewood could change the referendum for open spaces and not allow the vote to remove pieces of open space. Right now, by vote, it can happen -- and please do not say it never will, as never is a long time. So Will as an avid conservationist make a mark on Maplewood and change this piece of policy asap!!
Will Rossbach is not an avid conservationist. He is however, and most assuredly, an avid conversationalist.
ReplyDeleteWho does Will Rossbach think he is-Subliminal man? Quit stealing other citizens' ideas Will. (This is why we do not need Slick Willie as a mayor).
ReplyDeleteThe congressional act that created Yellowstone was enacted by a simple majority of both houses of Congress and can be, and has been modified many times over the years to reflect the changes which were deemed neccessary by the members of Congress over the last 130 years. A simple majority could also remove Yellowstone from the national park list. So there is no 100% guarentee for Yellowstone or Maplewood.I guess it has survived simply because people wanted it to.
ReplyDeleteFurther Minnesota Law does not allow a city council to pass laws that would be binding on future councils.
You said:
ReplyDeleteFurther Minnesota Law does not allow a city council to pass laws that would be binding on future councils.
I would like information on this and like to know how the original open space referendum then allowed a binding statement that left bonded land open to be sold or disposed of at a later date.
Isn't an policy a city institutes able to be repealed? If not tell me how?
Please let me know as soon as you get a hold of that please.
"A simple majority...???!" You mean like 600 yeas to 599 nays?
ReplyDeleteOr maybe Will means like 8 yeas to 7 nays. Or maybe some things should'nt be put to a vote at all(like whether absentee committee members on the smoke task force should lose their right to vote because Will Rossbach refuses to deliver it for them).
ReplyDeleteAre you sure Ms. Longrie is the enemy. It seems that Mr. Lillie did a "fantastic" and "knowledgeable" presentation on HF 2055. I particularly like the part where he raved about Ms. Hansen's hiking boots when they visited Fish Creek. That is the type of information that will surely sway the legislature.
ReplyDeleteOf course, when Mr. Lille went all out for Fish Creek was when he advocated for Maplewood funding for Fish Creek based on their tons of rain gardens! Is tons a number? I am sure there is a tie between rain gardens and the significance of Fish Creek, but it would take me a while to get there. Can you please explain this tie to me briefly?
Mr. Lille did not even have the slightest clue about the Heritage Money and that Fish Creek would qualify -- as pointed out by another representative at the hearing. On that locked page that John has he also demonstrated in his video he did not have a handle on Heritage funds and how they are awarded. No one even mentioned the fact that Metro Council has that money already and could purchase Fish Creek outright as a regional park. But if you just think Ramsey County is the answer to your problem, I guess you would not approach Met Council and their Heritage money.
Since John and you are so close, please let me know how and why this is testimony given, by Leon Lille, at the capitol is so important to the conservation of Fish Creek. Also, let me know why you think Mr. Lille's compelling testimony surely helped you case -- I would hope your rationale is better that the nit picking you posted online in the letter from the mayor.
Perhaps the letter would not have even needed to be sent if the closed door contingency would have had an open process that involved the appropriate commissions and city council. What a novel thought.
I hope you will be able to articulate the answer to these questions when it come time to really fund the FCI -- if you know what that means!
I reposted this comment since apparently your webmistress -- Ms. Nephew -- deleted it.
So much for transparency
I deleted your posts because they were intended for John Nephew. I am more than happy to display the rants and raves of some of the fanatics in Maplewood as long as the target is me. You will have to find some other avenue to assault Mr. Nephew. Besides I am sure that Dr. Nephew has a couple of more pressing matters to attend to.
ReplyDeleteI deleted your posts because they were intended for John Nephew. I am more than happy to display the rants and raves of some of the fanatics in Maplewood as long as the target is me. You will have to find some other avenue to assault Mr. Nephew. Besides I am sure that Dr. Nephew has a couple of more pressing matters to attend to.
ReplyDeleteWell, that is subjective since you erased the posts, rather than letting people decide for themselves. Seems like that is how you roll -- you decide and then we are expected to believe.
Anyway when are you and Michelle going to have Johnni's graduation party?? When did he get that Ph.D??
Ah, assumptions... the mark of a critical, reflective thinker.
ReplyDeleteOr in words Will can understand -- assumptions make an "ass of u and me."
ReplyDeleteAssumptions can do that. Dr. Nephew might agree that a person can be their own worst enemy.
ReplyDeleteOh Pogo -- you are such a comic. But don't speak of Johnni Nephew here -- you WILL be censored,
ReplyDeleteWill might leave it alone. It's just poking fun at people's pretentions.
ReplyDeleteJust to get everyone on the same page, so no one is assuming,the PH.D is Michelle.
ReplyDeleteThen how is it Dr. Nephew is has pressing issue like ironing Johnni's shorts when they are in a knot and being Will's mistress -- er I mean WEB mistress. Should those two be working for her?
ReplyDeleteMaybe she should run for mayor a PhD v a JD -- now we could really have an intelligent and thoughtful debate -- perhaps -- even bring some issues to the table, have a few discussions and get some quality to the politics of Maplewood.
It would be a welcome change from all this whining and complaining about the conspiracies everyone is master-minding and the next commissioner coup that being is plotted. Would that be asking too much?
It may not be fair for jbink0007 to lay the 'whining and complaining about the conspiracies everyone is master-minding and the next commmssioner coup' at the feet of the JD, but it for sure is not evident that having a PhD for the mayor to talk to would help with any with that.
ReplyDeleteThat is true.
ReplyDeleteI just watched city council hash out rules for commissions. Will and Johnni were afraid of having them run by a set of policies.
They would have to follow protocol in commissions and city council could no impose their will and authority of political powers over memebes. That is open government, but soemthing WILL was not ready to give up. It would be him losing control to citizen power. He might have to hear (not just listen).
In addition, he accused others of a conspiracy of some sort in the council. I am not sure what that was about. Perhaps WILL thinks he is losing control.
I notice he has not responded to any of my concerns addressed in this blog -- about his issues with the mayor's letter and my response.
Perhaps WILL is not able to speak concretely on an issue (or for that matter those clandestine people involved in omphaloskepsis.)
It is too bad that these are the people who are running the show.
What you are saying about a PhD and the quality of discourse is pretty evident, thoughtful and intelligent and all.
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